Aptos Fire Chief, Tom Crosser & Fire Marshal, Jim Dias clarified speed tables vs. speed bumps. Martin Drive "humps" are the approved type of humps used by the county and meet fire department standards. Questions and discussion on response time, ripple effect, pollution, etc.
Discussion on what we are and speed bumps. We are not a formal organization. We are neighbors who will follow a process. Process will be all 30 home owners will be notified of any proposals to maintain or make changes to our street. Notification will be in the form of mailers (postal letters), email, and phone calls to try and establish contact to all 30 home owners. Issues will be voted on by ballot with a given time limit. Every attempt will be made to make sure that at least a simple majority (16 homes) have voted.
Speed bumps: no speed bumps will be going in on Thursday 10/15/09.
Three neighbors volunteered to be part of a subcommittee to drive the speed hump ballot process (Peter, Anthea, & Cindy).
All Florence Drive homes and home owners will receive a mailer with a ballot that may state:
Yes for two speed bumps
No for no speed bumps
Yes for one speed bump on the Florence/Cliff end of the street
Abstain
This ballot will also list the pros & cons of speed bumps. Ballots must be returned by paper, email, or phone calls within a time period decided by the sub-committee.
Sunday, October 11, 2009
Saturday, October 10, 2009
United Paving to install 2 "table bumps" on morning of Thursday, Oct. 15.
[Florence Drive Street Association] New comment on Cameron Jackson speed bump update 10/1/09 - click ....
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Saturday, October 10, 2009 2:57:45 PM
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Oct. 10, 2009 UPDATE ON BUMPS
We have agreed with United Paving to install 2 "table bumps" on morning of Thursday, Oct. 15. If raining, work will be next day.
Please park Wed. night so not go onver bump areas AM of Thursday.
Painting lines on bumps and and signs saying BUMPS will be done a couple days after the road is sealed Oct. 19.
Anybody care about arrows versus straight lines on the bumps? Number of BUMPS signs? Bump signs will be painted on asphalt both before and after each bump. Maximum height of bump is 4 inches and tapers to zero on side. The bumps will meet the Guidelines of Fire Dept.
Cameron Jackson
Posted by Cameron Smith Jackson to Florence Drive Street Association at October 10, 2009 2:57 PM
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Saturday, October 10, 2009 2:57:45 PM
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Cameron Smith Jackson
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Oct. 10, 2009 UPDATE ON BUMPS
We have agreed with United Paving to install 2 "table bumps" on morning of Thursday, Oct. 15. If raining, work will be next day.
Please park Wed. night so not go onver bump areas AM of Thursday.
Painting lines on bumps and and signs saying BUMPS will be done a couple days after the road is sealed Oct. 19.
Anybody care about arrows versus straight lines on the bumps? Number of BUMPS signs? Bump signs will be painted on asphalt both before and after each bump. Maximum height of bump is 4 inches and tapers to zero on side. The bumps will meet the Guidelines of Fire Dept.
Cameron Jackson
Posted by Cameron Smith Jackson to Florence Drive Street Association at October 10, 2009 2:57 PM
Thursday, October 8, 2009
From the online Sentinel web-site comments - people do get sued
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_13511693
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Just a word of caution: Do your legal research before installing those bumps. On our Private road with public access, one of the residents took it upon himself to install speed bumps without telling anyone. He got sued by a guy that damaged his car going too fast over the bump and won!(it was estimated by the police that the driver was doing 45 in a 15 zone...) The court ruled he was liable for the damage since he did not adhere to specific guidelines (whatever those are), when installing the bumps. The driver originally tried to sue the Road Association but had to refile the lawsuit when his lawyer found out the bumps were installed without the Associations approval. When we repaved years later, we paved them over.
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Just a word of caution: Do your legal research before installing those bumps. On our Private road with public access, one of the residents took it upon himself to install speed bumps without telling anyone. He got sued by a guy that damaged his car going too fast over the bump and won!(it was estimated by the police that the driver was doing 45 in a 15 zone...) The court ruled he was liable for the damage since he did not adhere to specific guidelines (whatever those are), when installing the bumps. The driver originally tried to sue the Road Association but had to refile the lawsuit when his lawyer found out the bumps were installed without the Associations approval. When we repaved years later, we paved them over.
Article from Sentinel 10/8/09
Aptos residents argue the merits of installing speed bumps on Florence Drive
By SHANNA MCCORD
Posted: 10/08/2009 01:30:55 AM PDT
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Rio Del Mar resident Jim Jackson painted white lines on Florence Dr. in... (Dan Coyro/Sentinel)
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RIO DEL MAR -- A handful of residents are bickering and blogging over the idea of speed bumps on their street in Rio del Mar.
Some say the bumps are needed on Florence Drive to slow drivers speeding through the neighborhood, while others worry that a bump in the road will delay response from the fire department during an emergency.
County public works officials say Florence Drive is a private road with public access, so the decision to install bumps -- and pay for them -- is entirely up to the 30 property owners.
"It's really dividing the street," said Lisa Smith, who has lived on Florence Drive for 13 years. "What are the rules? Are we really the Wild West where we can do whatever we want?"
Smith is opposed to speed bumps because of safety issues related to her 10-year-old daughter, who is allergic to peanuts.
The possible need for a paramedic constantly weighs on Smith's mind as the slightest contact with a peanut can block air passage and become potentially fatal if medical response is not immediate, she said.
"Time is of the essence," Smith said.
Others on Florence Drive, like retired attorney Jim Jackson, are tired of watching cars whiz down their street to get to either Cliff or Martin drives.
Jackson said he's seen enough "near misses" between cars and dogs and cats to justify the bumps.
Jackson and a neighbor painted white arrows on the road in front of his house to get drivers used to the idea of having
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a bump in that area. "These people come around the corner and really rip," Jackson said. "The traffic is too fast by far."
Aptos/La Selva Fire Chief Tom Crosser said research has shown speed bumps, depending on their design, can affect response times.
He warns residents about the unintended consequence a bump can have. "The design we require is wide enough and gradual enough so that the fire apparatus isn't required to stop," Crosser said. "It can go over it without stopping."
Jackson said the neighbors in favor of bumps have pitched in enough money to pay for one, about $650.
Florence Drive residents recently created a blog at florencedrivestreetassociation.blogspot.com to discuss the speed bump issue. A meeting will be held at 4 p.m. Sunday at the Rio del Mar Tennis Club with representatives from the Aptos fire station to air concerns and attempt to reach a consensus.
By SHANNA MCCORD
Posted: 10/08/2009 01:30:55 AM PDT
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Rio Del Mar resident Jim Jackson painted white lines on Florence Dr. in... (Dan Coyro/Sentinel)
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RIO DEL MAR -- A handful of residents are bickering and blogging over the idea of speed bumps on their street in Rio del Mar.
Some say the bumps are needed on Florence Drive to slow drivers speeding through the neighborhood, while others worry that a bump in the road will delay response from the fire department during an emergency.
County public works officials say Florence Drive is a private road with public access, so the decision to install bumps -- and pay for them -- is entirely up to the 30 property owners.
"It's really dividing the street," said Lisa Smith, who has lived on Florence Drive for 13 years. "What are the rules? Are we really the Wild West where we can do whatever we want?"
Smith is opposed to speed bumps because of safety issues related to her 10-year-old daughter, who is allergic to peanuts.
The possible need for a paramedic constantly weighs on Smith's mind as the slightest contact with a peanut can block air passage and become potentially fatal if medical response is not immediate, she said.
"Time is of the essence," Smith said.
Others on Florence Drive, like retired attorney Jim Jackson, are tired of watching cars whiz down their street to get to either Cliff or Martin drives.
Jackson said he's seen enough "near misses" between cars and dogs and cats to justify the bumps.
Jackson and a neighbor painted white arrows on the road in front of his house to get drivers used to the idea of having
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a bump in that area. "These people come around the corner and really rip," Jackson said. "The traffic is too fast by far."
Aptos/La Selva Fire Chief Tom Crosser said research has shown speed bumps, depending on their design, can affect response times.
He warns residents about the unintended consequence a bump can have. "The design we require is wide enough and gradual enough so that the fire apparatus isn't required to stop," Crosser said. "It can go over it without stopping."
Jackson said the neighbors in favor of bumps have pitched in enough money to pay for one, about $650.
Florence Drive residents recently created a blog at florencedrivestreetassociation.blogspot.com to discuss the speed bump issue. A meeting will be held at 4 p.m. Sunday at the Rio del Mar Tennis Club with representatives from the Aptos fire station to air concerns and attempt to reach a consensus.
Wednesday, October 7, 2009
From: Ellen Pirie County Supervisor re: speed bump process
RE: Need speed bump clarification on Florence Drive Aptos - ASAP
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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:39:08 AM
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To: Lisa & Bruce Smith
Dear Lisa;
Thank you for the email. Unfortunately, I'm on my way out of the office until the 19th. There is a process for speed bumps and I will ask my aide Robin Musitelli to get back to you about it. She will be in later today or tomorrow.
Ellen Pirie
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Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:39:08 AM
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Dear Lisa;
Thank you for the email. Unfortunately, I'm on my way out of the office until the 19th. There is a process for speed bumps and I will ask my aide Robin Musitelli to get back to you about it. She will be in later today or tomorrow.
Ellen Pirie
Fire Marshal response conversation with Jim Jackson
RE: Fwd: Fire Marshall re Martin Dr bumps & Florence Dr. situation
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Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:50:47 PM
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To: Lisa & Bruce Smith; Tom Crosser
Lisa & Bruce,
Thank you for forwarding the correspondence from Cameron Jackson. I did finally have a conversation with Mr. Jackson, and as stated below, the Jackson’s intend to have Earthworks install one speed bump down at the Cliff Drive end of Florence, and it is to meet the same profile standards as those on Martin Drive. Thank you for the inquiry and concern of making sure that it is done right.
Jim
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Thursday, October 1, 2009 3:50:47 PM
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To: Lisa & Bruce Smith
Lisa & Bruce,
Thank you for forwarding the correspondence from Cameron Jackson. I did finally have a conversation with Mr. Jackson, and as stated below, the Jackson’s intend to have Earthworks install one speed bump down at the Cliff Drive end of Florence, and it is to meet the same profile standards as those on Martin Drive. Thank you for the inquiry and concern of making sure that it is done right.
Jim
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